From cmhensch at gmx.net Thu Aug 11 18:36:30 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Thu Aug 11 18:36:58 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] test mail Message-ID: <42FBEF0E.8060602@gmx.net> -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From cmhensch at gmx.net Thu Aug 11 21:14:41 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Thu Aug 11 21:15:06 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] New mailing list Message-ID: <42FC1421.3020703@gmx.net> Dear All! It is foreseeable that there will still be quite bit of email communication going on between us regarding the setting up and use of the online CES. Also, it is quite clear that issues will arise from other than committee members, like transaction recorders, etc. For this reason I have created a new mailing list which will allow us easily to separate email traffic that has to do with LCNZ core business and questions pertaining the use of CES. In order to communicate over this list, the only thing you need to do is to send a message to "letsnz-ces@wji.com" instead of to each of us as individuals. This now gives us the permission to add in the computer savy individual in your exchange that might want to help you convert to online LETS, or your transactions recorder who will be registering new members or enter transactions for individuals who do not possess a computer by themselves currently. CES is still something that is growing, that is being refined. Once in a while there will be messages announcing improvements and also messages announcing the joining of new exchanges. At the same time, anyone subscribed (and you can subscribe by emailing me at 'cmhensch@gmx.net') can put out a question and share experiences they have made so far with the new software. Using CES will require some change of mindset, and it is something we better do together. In short: this for the rather 'technical talk' around CES. I therefore invite you to nominate other people in your exchange you think should be included into this list. Maybe, Jim, you could also put a short notice in the NEWS, and I will circulate this message on the wider NZ discussion list as well. To repeat: this list for all individuals who are/will be running CES in the fuction of administrator/coordinator or Transaction Recorder - but not for the simple member of your exchange. Best regards, Christoph -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From cmhensch at gmx.net Sat Aug 13 23:47:04 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Sat Aug 13 23:47:28 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] Editing sub areas Message-ID: <42FEDAD8.7010806@gmx.net> Hi Jim, you can easily add sub-areas from the administration menu (13) and then on the Administration Index Page look at "Group/Sub-Areas" (lower left corner) and choose option 4. It allows you to add any number of areas you'd like. The new area doesn't seem to come up immediately when you reopen the same function, but when you edit a member's detail, then Geraldine now shows as an additional option. Regards, Christoph *** -------- Original Message -------- Subject: CES Software. Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:46:08 +1200 From: Jim To: Christoph Hensch Hi Christoph, in a members account, there is a field called Sub area, In TATS we have the option for Timaru and Temuka as well as All and Other, I would like to add Geraldine and hopefully more later, how can this be done? Regards Jim. -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From cmhensch at gmx.net Tue Aug 16 02:35:42 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Tue Aug 16 02:35:54 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] Why does the seller input the transaction? Message-ID: <4301A55E.7000303@gmx.net> Hi All, this question - why does the seller input the transaction and not the buyer - is one that will come up again and again. Does that mean that someone else can clean out my account? Yes! - and then run off with it or what? Even though this seems to be a contradictory way of doing things, it make actually a lot of sense once looked at correctly. Below again the response we got from Tim in South Africa who thought about it more deeply. regards, Christoph **** If you think about it, this is the way it works in the conventional economy too. When you arrive at the supermarket checkout with your trolley of groceries you present your credit card. Your credit card is not money, it is just an ID. The checkout assistant (the seller) swipes your card and that credits the shop's account and debits yours. The same happens in a restaurant when you use a credit or debit card. In both these instances the seller deducts money from your account and that is not considered counter common sense! It is only in the cash world that something appears to go from the buyer to the seller. It is planted in our brains that cash has real value and that by handing cash to the seller you are exchanging value for value. Even when someone 'pays' you with a cheque nothing actually goes from the buyer to the seller. A cheque is just an instruction to the bank to debit the buyer's account and credit the seller's. When you as the seller take the cheque to the bank and give it to the teller, the teller acts on your behalf (as the seller) and credits your account and debits the buyer's. The teller is just doing for you what conventional banks don't allow you to do on the internet or through a machine, but the action of the teller actually amounts to the seller crediting him/herself against the buyer. Is this counter common sense? Can you imagine what would happen if supermarkets did not credit themselves against their shoppers (their buyers) when they left the shop but left it up to them, the buyers, to transfer funds to them at a later stage. No one would ever do it and the supermarket would spend all their time chasing up their shoppers to pay them!! In a fully computerised system it must be the seller who credits him/herself otherwise it becomes a nightmare of sellers chasing their buyers to get around to crediting them. As our money does not exist there is nothing to go from the buyer to the seller. It is only a question of entering information about the trade into a computer, and that must be the seller's task. The buyer can issue a trading slip/cheque (available from the site) which authorises the seller to debit his/her account but that is just a formality. You mention that by allowing sellers to credit themselves it might open it to abuse. Well, the same applies to the supermarket. How do you know that they aren't adding on a few more items or increasing the price? There is is no real possibility of abuse because when a seller credits him or herself in the CES an email is sent to the buyer indicating that his/her account has been debited. Also, buyers have real-time access to their statements of account and would pick it up immediately if someone was wrongfully debiting them. The same would apply to buyers who received printed statements. Also, everyone can see everyone else's balance and trade count, and if someone was doing wicked things it would immediately be noticed. Also, think about the tremendous advantages of having the seller enter the information: no more issuing of invoices, the immediate clearing and settling of accounts, no more waiting for your money, no more waiting for cheques to be cleared, real-time statements, real-time balances, no more queuing at banks etc, etc. It is a new world! My company, Unwembi, operates in both the Talent and Rand economies and I can't help noticing the difference between the two. For our Rand business we employ an accountant who spends a lot of her life preparing accounts, putting them in envelopes and sending them off to our clients (all at great expense). Then she waits until the end of the month to see who has sent cheques. Many of our clients don't send their cheques on time and so she spends many angry hours chasing for our money. Every year we write off huge amounts as bad debts. Then she has to take the cheques to the bank and deal with all that. Then she keeps ledgers and huge files with all the paperwork. It is all a complete nightmare if you think about it, and just about all of it is completely unnecessary. We do the same work for people and businesses on the Cape Town Talent Exchange and as soon as the job is signed off we credit ourselves and that's the end of it. No need to send out invoices, wait for cheques, queue at banks etc. In fact there is virtually no need for paperwork at all as everything is on the site! And never is one cent written off because a buyer never got around to paying us. You need to get your heads around this one too and then you will see that the CES way is quite revolutionary! I can add some more reasons why it is better for sellers to do the transaction entries! (1) It works! In almost 9000 trades in the Cape Town Talent Exchange there has never been one reported incident of fraud. There have been a few mistakes but those are easily corrected. Can the conventional economy boast the same? It is probably the other way around: in 9000 trades not one honest one reported! (2) It speeds things up If it was up to buyers to enter the trading info it would be in their interest not to do it. It would also not be in their interest to do it quickly. This would slow things down. The other way around, the seller can enter the info even before the buyer has left the shop. (3) It eliminates frustration and aggro Where the seller enters the info frustration and aggro is eliminated because it is in the seller's interest that the info is entered and that it is entered quickly. If the seller never gets around to entering the trade the buyer doesn't worry about that! If it was up the buyer to enter the info and he/she took his time to do it the seller would become frustrated and have to chase the buyer. This could lead to bad feelings between buyers and sellers. Mechanisms could be put in place to force buyers to enter the trading information within a certain time but it would be difficult to enforce them. Chasing tardy buyers would cause extra work for the administration. (4) It gives buyers the benefit of the doubt In the conventional economy banks and sellers assume that their clients/customers are wicked and evil, and that they are always on the lookout for ways to cheat and beat the system. For this reason buyers ARE often wicked and evil. In the CES we give buyers the benefit of doubt: we assume they are honest and decent and not out to beat the system. We are not so na?ve to believe that it will never happen but if the starting presumption is that people are basically decent then they behave decently. If there is an incident of fraud we will deal with it as it arises, rather than put barbed wire around everything to prevent it happening. (5) Buyers can also commit fraud If it were up to buyers to enter the information into the computer what is to stop them entering less than the agreed amount? While they wouldn't be able to get away with doing this with sharp sellers, they might take a chance with someone they know does not look frequently at their computer or has no computer. Simply by 'forgetting' to enter a trade a buyer could end up getting something for free. This amounts to theft. (6) In a conventional LETS group it IS actually the seller who enters the information In a conventional LETS group the buyer gives the seller a cheque. The seller takes the cheque to the administrator for entry into the records. The administrator enters the information on the cheque for both the buyer and seller but on the initiative and on behalf of the seller. The seller could have fraudulently altered the cheque or created his own against a lax buyer. (7) It creates a new, healthier relationship between buyers and sellers In the conventional economy where the buyer has the money (employer) and is purchasing the services of a seller (employee) the seller is at the mercy of the buyer. The employer dictates the terms because he has the money while the employee is subordinated to the employer because she is dependent on him. The employer can withhold wages/salary if his conditions are not met. Where the seller (employee) can enter his/her own wages/salary for services rendered the seller is no longer subordinated and dependent. Fair compensation for fair work. Where the sale is goods, sellers can always be sure of getting their money. They don't have to worry if the cheque is going to bounce. 'Lack of funds' is the buyer's problem, not the seller's (as it would become if the buyer had reached his/her credit limit and then had to record the trade). (8) A new money system requires new ways of thinking As many others have pointed out, much of the misery in the world is the product of a dysfunctional money system. If we are going to correct that we can't do it with the tools borrowed from the old money system. We can't rely on what seems to be 'common sense'. It would be unthinkable for someone with internet banking in the conventional economy to be able to credit himself against a buyer. The reason is that if one were able to transfer funds to oneself one could do so, spend the money and then disappear. There is no point doing that in the CES because you don't need funds to get something. You can just go into debit. In short, there is no need to cheat so why cheat?! That should be enough to convince the sceptical! From cmhensch at gmx.net Thu Aug 18 13:36:06 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Thu Aug 18 13:36:22 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] Login box for CES now green Message-ID: <4304E326.6040009@gmx.net> Hi All, in order to prevent confusion about the login to the LETS Connect site and the login to CES, I have changed the login boxes for CES into a bright green. So, to log in to CES, use the green login box which is at the bottom of the homepage of the respective exchange! Best regards Christoph -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From cmhensch at gmx.net Mon Aug 22 00:46:57 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Mon Aug 22 00:47:12 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] printing statements Message-ID: <430974E1.3000505@gmx.net> Hi All, forwarding a message just received from Tim in South Africa regarding a new option to print statements in batch! Christoph *** Hi Christoph You can now print out statements of account for all members in one go. Go to admin interface then at bottom right you will see under sub-heading "Miscellaneous" "3. Print A/C Statements". This will take you to a new page where you can select members without email or all members. Then you can choose the statement period. If you want to print from the start of a month to the end of a month choose the same month/year in the from and to date options. The only problem is that it prints all the statements in one continuous scroll. I'm not sure if it is possible for HTML to print form feeds between each statement. I'll try to find out if it is possible. In the meantime you could highlight the lot, copy and paste into Word or similar and then insert page breaks between each statement (Ctrl+Enter). You can also print statements from your personal account, from the local-area co-ordinator's interface and from the individual statements on the admin interface. I am still working on the emailing of statements. This will then allow you to email statements to those with email and print the statements for those without. Tim -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19.Aug.2005 -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From mcgrail at orcon.net.nz Mon Aug 22 15:50:41 2005 From: mcgrail at orcon.net.nz (Hayden McGrail) Date: Mon Aug 22 15:50:55 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] A few questions Message-ID: <200508222150.j7MLofOX020579@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Our group is very interested in coming on board. I've had a bit of a look at the CES site and found their newsletters most informative. I am the current LETSystem database administrator and will be leading the project for our group. It would be great if I could get an account login for the new LetsConnect CES - I would like to complete a long delayed transaction between Wanganui and Wairarapa. I'd like to find out a little more about the initial set-up. Are the NZ groups transfering all their historic data onto CES? Are the wesites being hosted in SA, NZ or by LETSconnect? Is there a CES administrators forum, FAQ or on-line guide? Also love to here how each NZ group is getting on so far. thanks, Hayden McGrail President (again) LETSystem Database Administrator (still) Wairarapa Green Dollar Exchange Inc AKA Wairarapa LETS or LETS Wairarapa WAIS or WAI$ for short From jpmc at paradise.net.nz Mon Aug 22 16:32:11 2005 From: jpmc at paradise.net.nz (Jim) Date: Mon Aug 22 16:32:19 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] printing statements In-Reply-To: <430974E1.3000505@gmx.net> References: <430974E1.3000505@gmx.net> Message-ID: <430A526B.2000000@paradise.net.nz> Hi all, Christoph wrote: > Hi All, > forwarding a message just received from Tim in South Africa regarding a > new option to print statements in batch! This is excellent and will suit TATS fine. Just a couple of points, if Tim could make a small change so that it will print the full address of the member it would then suit the window envelopes that we currently use? In the body of the Statement it shows the full name of the trading partner, this could be member number only which would leave more room for the description and reduce some wrap problems. The other minor problem is that it prints the transactions with the latest at the top, our members are used to the latest last and too me this seems more logical. On another matter, I have edited our welcome message to show the latest web address, however it prints this slightly out of order:- To get to the web site go to . This will take you to the login page. The web site should fall after the first line and that is the way it is on site, can you suggest what I should do to correct this? The program also sends two messages instead of one. In the drop down menus that show all groups including the SA Groups it might be better if the NZ groups were shown with a suffix of NZ, TATS and Taranaki fall together but once we get a few other names they will be scattered amongst the South Africans, what do you think? I would like to edit the TATS page to include a link to the original web pages from the Orcon site. I want to include the TATS page in our publicity so that interested people can go there and easily find and read how it works. Can you suggest how I should do this please? I think that is all. :-) Regards Jim. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 267.10.13 - Release Date: 19-Aug-05 From cmhensch at gmx.net Tue Aug 23 00:50:30 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Tue Aug 23 00:50:52 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] A few questions In-Reply-To: <200508222150.j7MLofOX020579@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <200508222150.j7MLofOX020579@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <430AC736.1010806@gmx.net> Hi Hayden! Great to hear that your exchange is considering joining CES. The CES newsletters can be read online on http://www.ces.org.za/cen/index.htm - actually very interesting and informative! Will send you the login details for entering LETS Connect transactions in a separate mail! Regarding your other questions: This system will record transactions from the day it goes online. There is no option to transfer historic data. The only thing that needs doing is to transfer the balance from your present system to CES. The CES site is currently hosted in SA. They are currently in the process of re-writing the software to a new platform, essentially open source, that runs on almost any server on the planet. Currently they are still using Microsoft. Having CES run on its server in SA has the advantage of getting instant updates, as soon as new features are being developed. Also, we have expert support for any software issue that might arise. This mailing list is the discussion forum for NZ CES administrators. There is a manual that can be downloaded from ces.org.za, but this is only a user manual, not for administrators. As far as I understand, an admin manual is in preparation. I have started creating a FAQ on the LETS Connect website. Go to http://www.letsnewzealand.org.nz/tiki-view_faq.php?faqId=1 I'm happy for anyone to contribute pertinent questions and answers. So far, 2 exchanges have fully transfered their accounts to CES: LETS Connect itself and TATS Timaru. Another 2 have started the set-up process: TSCT Taranaki and HANDS Golden Bay. WINGS Blenheim has expressed interest in setting up, but hasn't provided the necessary information yet needed to set up the system online. A few others, including your exchange, have made noises that they are considering adopting the new system. Given that this is a fairly recent development I'm quite happy with the rate of uptake. Best regards, Christoph *** Hayden McGrail wrote: >Our group is very interested in coming on board. I've had a bit of a look at the CES site and found their newsletters most informative. I am the current LETSystem database administrator and will be leading the project for our group. It would be great if I could get an account login for the new LetsConnect CES - I would like to complete a long delayed transaction between Wanganui and Wairarapa. >I'd like to find out a little more about the initial set-up. >Are the NZ groups transfering all their historic data onto CES? >Are the wesites being hosted in SA, NZ or by LETSconnect? >Is there a CES administrators forum, FAQ or on-line guide? >Also love to here how each NZ group is getting on so far. > >thanks, > >Hayden McGrail >President (again) >LETSystem Database Administrator (still) >Wairarapa Green Dollar Exchange Inc >AKA Wairarapa LETS or LETS Wairarapa >WAIS or WAI$ for short > > >_______________________________________________ >Letsnz-ces mailing list >Letsnz-ces@wji.com >http://sun1.wji.com/mailman/listinfo/letsnz-ces > > > > > -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From cmhensch at gmx.net Tue Aug 23 01:13:42 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Tue Aug 23 01:13:52 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] inserting links in the LETS Connect website In-Reply-To: <430A526B.2000000@paradise.net.nz> References: <430974E1.3000505@gmx.net> <430A526B.2000000@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <430ACCA6.9070203@gmx.net> Hi Jim, Jim wrote: > > I would like to edit the TATS page to include a link to the original > web pages from the Orcon site. I want to include the TATS page in our > publicity so that interested people can go there and easily find and > read how it works. Can you suggest how I should do this please? > It is simple to edit the webpages. On the edit screen you can insert a hyperlink that goes to another website by typing the link address in square brakets [ ]. Just insert [http://letsconnectnz.orcon.net.nz/] and you have a link going back to the old Orcon site. Except for the pictures, all info of the old site is now also available on http://letsnewzealand.org.nz Best regards, Christoph -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From cmhensch at gmx.net Tue Aug 23 02:52:24 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Tue Aug 23 02:52:40 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] discussion forum needed? Message-ID: <430AE3C8.4090400@gmx.net> Hi All, I was wondering if I should set up a discussion forum on the LETS Connect site, where we can post messages and discuss things in threads that are always visible. Email lists are fine, but some times one looses sight of the topic of discussion. A forum lets you access previous postings easier, but might more of a pain if someone is on a slow dial-up line. Please let me know if you have a preference for one or the other - can also run both... Christoph -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From jpmc at paradise.net.nz Tue Aug 23 14:58:12 2005 From: jpmc at paradise.net.nz (Jim) Date: Tue Aug 23 15:49:18 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] discussion forum needed? In-Reply-To: <430AE3C8.4090400@gmx.net> References: <430AE3C8.4090400@gmx.net> Message-ID: <430B8DE4.8030605@paradise.net.nz> Hi All, Christoph wrote: > Hi All, > I was wondering if I should set up a discussion forum on the LETS > Connect site, where we can post messages and discuss things in threads > that are always visible. > > Email lists are fine, but some times one looses sight of the topic of > discussion. A forum lets you access previous postings easier, but might > more of a pain if someone is on a slow dial-up line. Personally I prefer an E-mail list and I think most of us will be using a dial-up line Jim McCaughan > > Please let me know if you have a preference for one or the other - can > also run both... > > Christoph > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 267.10.13 - Release Date: 19-Aug-05 From taranaki_letsnz at yahoo.co.nz Wed Aug 24 01:47:54 2005 From: taranaki_letsnz at yahoo.co.nz (Taranaki LETS) Date: Wed Aug 24 01:48:12 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] discussion forum needed? In-Reply-To: <430B8DE4.8030605@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <20050824074754.83219.qmail@web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry,only a slow dail-up line for me!! Thanks Anne --- Jim wrote: > Hi All, > > Christoph wrote: > > Hi All, > > I was wondering if I should set up a discussion > forum on the LETS > > Connect site, where we can post messages and > discuss things in threads > > that are always visible. > > > > Email lists are fine, but some times one looses > sight of the topic of > > discussion. A forum lets you access previous > postings easier, but might > > more of a pain if someone is on a slow dial-up > line. > > Personally I prefer an E-mail list and I think most > of us will be using > a dial-up line > > Jim McCaughan > > > > > Please let me know if you have a preference for > one or the other - can > > also run both... > > > > Christoph > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 267.10.13 - > Release Date: 19-Aug-05 > > _______________________________________________ > Letsnz-ces mailing list > Letsnz-ces@wji.com > http://sun1.wji.com/mailman/listinfo/letsnz-ces > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From cmhensch at gmx.net Wed Aug 24 03:06:30 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Wed Aug 24 03:06:57 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] [Fwd: Emailing: A CES Account List.@] Message-ID: <430C3896.9020106@gmx.net> Hi Bryan, I see that things are moving along! I have attached our Account list from CES. Which I have just finished adding. I have added all our members that have an account credit or debit. Many of them will be culled out but at this stage I need them all to balance the system. I have not added in balances or services yet. Think I will do that gradually. Question. If you go to the bottom of the list of accounts you will find a number of TSCT sites in London and around South Africa. Does this mean that they are sharing our TSCT code? If so should we choose something else? Answer: The sites or accounts you see at the bottom of your account list are the 'Virtual accounts' of other exchanges in the system. Each exchange has every other exchange as a 'virtual' member - it's for intertrading. It has nothing to do with your suffix TSCT. Those accounts show up in every exchange and In actual fact do not even need to be there. I will ask Tim to find a better solution around the presentation of the virtual accounts. Question. If I make test transactions (fictitious) how do I take them out of the system again? I have to confirm them into the system to check print out etc. It will not allow me to delete the account if it has a trading pattern. How do I then delete a transaction that is in error? Answer: The Seller can delete or correct transactions within 10 days. The Administrator can change a transaction within 30 days of posting it. You cannot delete an account with a trading pattern, but you can hide it, so it doesn't show up on the menus anymore. . Question. Where does the system show me the system balance. i.e. the Zero balance so that I know that the accounts are balancing and hence being entered correctly? Answer: There is no need to show the system balance, because the system is in balance all the time. You cannot enter a transaction on one account only. If you record a debit, you also need to record a corresponding account for the credit. It is therefore impossible to be out of balance. I hope that this will answer your questions! Best regards, Christoph -- http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch http://www.eco-village.cjb.net Skype me at: cmhensch From taranaki_letsnz at yahoo.co.nz Wed Aug 24 14:04:34 2005 From: taranaki_letsnz at yahoo.co.nz (Taranaki LETS) Date: Wed Aug 24 14:04:55 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] [Fwd: Emailing: A CES Account List.@] In-Reply-To: <430C3896.9020106@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20050824200434.22468.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Instead of TSCT perhaps TLETS or TLET if 4 letters are needed. Thanks Anne --- Christoph Hensch wrote: > Hi Bryan, > I see that things are moving along! > > > I have attached our Account list from CES. Which I > have just finished > adding. I have added all our members that have an > account credit or > debit. Many of them will be culled out but at this > stage I need them > all to balance the system. I have not added in > balances or services > yet. Think I will do that gradually. > > Question. If you go to the bottom of the list of > accounts you will find > a number of TSCT sites in London and around South > Africa. Does this > mean that they are sharing our TSCT code? If so > should we choose > something else? > > Answer: The sites or accounts you see at the bottom > of your account > list are the 'Virtual accounts' of other exchanges > in the system. Each > exchange has every other exchange as a 'virtual' > member - it's for > intertrading. It has nothing to do with your suffix > TSCT. Those accounts > show up in every exchange and In actual fact do not > even need to be > there. I will ask Tim to find a better solution > around the presentation > of the virtual accounts. > > Question. If I make test transactions (fictitious) > how do I take them > out of the system again? I have to confirm them > into the system to > check print out etc. It will not allow me to delete > the account if it > has a trading pattern. How do I then delete a > transaction that is in error? > > Answer: The Seller can delete or correct > transactions within 10 days. > The Administrator can change a transaction within 30 > days of posting it. > You cannot delete an account with a trading pattern, > but you can hide > it, so it doesn't show up on the menus anymore. . > > Question. Where does the system show me the system > balance. i.e. the > Zero balance so that I know that the accounts are > balancing and hence > being entered correctly? > > Answer: There is no need to show the system balance, > because the system > is in balance all the time. You cannot enter a > transaction on one > account only. If you record a debit, you also need > to record a > corresponding account for the credit. It is > therefore impossible to be > out of balance. > > > > > I hope that this will answer your questions! > > Best regards, > Christoph > > > > > > > -- > http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch > http://www.eco-village.cjb.net > Skype me at: cmhensch > > _______________________________________________ > Letsnz-ces mailing list > Letsnz-ces@wji.com > http://sun1.wji.com/mailman/listinfo/letsnz-ces > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From bdux at xtra.co.nz Wed Aug 24 14:47:38 2005 From: bdux at xtra.co.nz (Bryan Duxfield) Date: Wed Aug 24 14:48:19 2005 Subject: [Letsnz-ces] [Fwd: Emailing: A CES Account List.@] References: <430C3896.9020106@gmx.net> Message-ID: <001a01c5a8ed$4e5c3b30$c79537d2@bryane9xgq0mh5> Thanks Christoph Yes when I read the Directions (page 14) again, the system allows easy editing of amounts. Open CES. "Administration functions" "Administration Index Page" "View/Edit accounts." "CES Accounts." "Show All (View) The Account List opens. The Account List from which lists all accounts, allows for easy editing. Just point to the name of the account you want to edit (Left click) and that account opens. NOTE from this window the password is shown and can be changed. Statement (Show.) window at bottom, Displays Trades for past 30 days. for that account. (Only shows the Delete record, below, if there are records to delete.) Highlight the record to delete Confirm window asks for confirmation. Regards. Bryan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christoph Hensch" To: "New Zealand online LETS issues" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: [Letsnz-ces] [Fwd: Emailing: A CES Account List.@] > Hi Bryan, > I see that things are moving along! > > > I have attached our Account list from CES. Which I have just finished > adding. I have added all our members that have an account credit or > debit. Many of them will be culled out but at this stage I need them all > to balance the system. I have not added in balances or services yet. > Think I will do that gradually. > > Question. If you go to the bottom of the list of accounts you will find a > number of TSCT sites in London and around South Africa. Does this mean > that they are sharing our TSCT code? If so should we choose something > else? > > Answer: The sites or accounts you see at the bottom of your account list > are the 'Virtual accounts' of other exchanges in the system. Each exchange > has every other exchange as a 'virtual' member - it's for intertrading. It > has nothing to do with your suffix TSCT. Those accounts show up in every > exchange and In actual fact do not even need to be there. I will ask Tim > to find a better solution around the presentation of the virtual accounts. > > Question. If I make test transactions (fictitious) how do I take them out > of the system again? I have to confirm them into the system to check > print out etc. It will not allow me to delete the account if it has a > trading pattern. How do I then delete a transaction that is in error? > > Answer: The Seller can delete or correct transactions within 10 days. The > Administrator can change a transaction within 30 days of posting it. You > cannot delete an account with a trading pattern, but you can hide it, so > it doesn't show up on the menus anymore. . > > Question. Where does the system show me the system balance. i.e. the > Zero balance so that I know that the accounts are balancing and hence > being entered correctly? > > Answer: There is no need to show the system balance, because the system is > in balance all the time. You cannot enter a transaction on one account > only. If you record a debit, you also need to record a corresponding > account for the credit. It is therefore impossible to be out of balance. > > I hope that this will answer your questions! > > Best regards, > Christoph > > From cmhensch at gmx.net Wed Aug 24 17:16:17 2005 From: cmhensch at gmx.net (Christoph Hensch) Date: Wed Aug 24 17:16:34 2005 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Letsnz-ces]_[Fwd:_Emailing:_A_CES_Account_List.@]?= References: <20050824200434.22468.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5725.1124925377@www62.gmx.net> No need to change TSCT. it works well, and the other 'vitual' accounts will appear on your list regardless of your 4 letter code! Christoph *** > Von: Taranaki LETS > An: New Zealand online LETS issues > Betreff: Re: [Letsnz-ces] [Fwd: Emailing: A CES Account List.@] > Datum: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:04:34 +1200 (NZST) > > Instead of TSCT perhaps TLETS or TLET if 4 letters are > needed. > Thanks Anne > --- Christoph Hensch wrote: > > > Hi Bryan, > > I see that things are moving along! > > > > > > I have attached our Account list from CES. Which I > > have just finished > > adding. I have added all our members that have an > > account credit or > > debit. Many of them will be culled out but at this > > stage I need them > > all to balance the system. I have not added in > > balances or services > > yet. Think I will do that gradually. > > > > Question. If you go to the bottom of the list of > > accounts you will find > > a number of TSCT sites in London and around South > > Africa. Does this > > mean that they are sharing our TSCT code? If so > > should we choose > > something else? > > > > Answer: The sites or accounts you see at the bottom > > of your account > > list are the 'Virtual accounts' of other exchanges > > in the system. Each > > exchange has every other exchange as a 'virtual' > > member - it's for > > intertrading. It has nothing to do with your suffix > > TSCT. Those accounts > > show up in every exchange and In actual fact do not > > even need to be > > there. I will ask Tim to find a better solution > > around the presentation > > of the virtual accounts. > > > > Question. If I make test transactions (fictitious) > > how do I take them > > out of the system again? I have to confirm them > > into the system to > > check print out etc. It will not allow me to delete > > the account if it > > has a trading pattern. How do I then delete a > > transaction that is in error? > > > > Answer: The Seller can delete or correct > > transactions within 10 days. > > The Administrator can change a transaction within 30 > > days of posting it. > > You cannot delete an account with a trading pattern, > > but you can hide > > it, so it doesn't show up on the menus anymore. . > > > > Question. Where does the system show me the system > > balance. i.e. the > > Zero balance so that I know that the accounts are > > balancing and hence > > being entered correctly? > > > > Answer: There is no need to show the system balance, > > because the system > > is in balance all the time. You cannot enter a > > transaction on one > > account only. If you record a debit, you also need > > to record a > > corresponding account for the credit. It is > > therefore impossible to be > > out of balance. > > > > > > > > > > I hope that this will answer your questions! > > > > Best regards, > > Christoph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.geocities.com/cmhensch > > http://www.eco-village.cjb.net > > Skype me at: cmhensch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Letsnz-ces mailing list > > Letsnz-ces@wji.com > > http://sun1.wji.com/mailman/listinfo/letsnz-ces > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Letsnz-ces mailing list > Letsnz-ces@wji.com > http://sun1.wji.com/mailman/listinfo/letsnz-ces > -- ***** Skype me: cmhensch Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! Satte Provisionen für GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner